Emily Vernem

No, I agree.

And it made me think of Romain Grosjean, who in 2020 at Bahrain, he's an F1 driver, and he was driving and he had this horrific accident.

And they all know that there's enormous danger involved, but he had this horrific accident.

His car went up in flames.

It looked like, not only did it look like he was probably going to die, but it was being broadcast live to the world.

So his family were seeing it.

And that fire was on for a long time.

It was on for a long time and he miraculously survived.

And his quotes in the aftermath of that were really interesting because he had a complete career pivot.

He still raced, but he raced very differently.

And he said, if I was 25 and single, I would go and do the ovals.

Like I would do those same laps.

That wouldn't be a problem.

But what I cannot accept right now is putting my wife and my kids in the same situation as they were in Bahrain.

Yeah.

And I thought, like, maybe it takes that happening.

Maybe it takes...

seeing it happen to someone.

But I found that to be a very like evolved, I really admired his approach to that, that that accident became not about him but about the people who had to watch it.

And I think the same even with, you know, our free solo friend is that it's not just about his family, it's about the first responders, it's about the paramedics, it's about like everyone who would be confronted with that.