Emily Vernem

But what I particularly like about it is the really slippery nature of this parasocial relationship because when Monica's interviewing Elizabeth and Andy about how they felt about building this audience and the relationship they had with their audience,

It's very familiar.

You know, this is obviously our world and what we do.

But about the dangers of overstepping and when they are, like, giving life advice in a really serious way to their audience members, like, again, with something we're relatively familiar with and why it's always good to keep dilemmas kind of not...

not too high stakes, but how it turned into this very intense relationship.

And then the comments section took on a life of its own.

And then the person with the dilemma.

Anyway, it's great.

And if you've got time, it's one of those good podcasts to just lean into and enjoy.

Yeah, it's great.

Because you hear Kate Clancy's telling her own story in the first episode and then you hear the people who cancelled her.

So from their mouths, like how they felt it was so harmful, why they did it.

And it's so well told because it's not...

It doesn't have a point of view.

Like it's just laying out all this information for you to take on and then they interview some of the students and it's just – I thought it was brilliant.

So I'm seeing headlines around about like why straight women are obsessed with this queer ice hockey, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's the hottest TV show ever.

Okay.

I've schooled the children about this too now.

chill but yes it's it's the big out loud host party a massive thank you like i can't um it's been a massive year for out loud in lots of different ways you know we've been through some big changes we've been through some big things we toured and we toured and we took em on the road with us