Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

This feels though like over time it could get into the quite unpleasant territory a lot of social media has gotten to where the amount of metadata being gathered from a quite personal interaction people are having with a system could be a lot. voice-verified

How confident are you that we can do this kind of monitoring and evaluation voice-verified

As these models become more complicated, as if we do enter a situation where we're voice-verified

Claude code is autonomously improving Claude at a rate faster than software engineers could possibly keep up with reading that code base. voice-verified

We already talked briefly about how you see the models exhibit some levels of deception, some levels of pursuing their own goals. voice-verified

I mean, there's been amazing interpretability work at Anthropic under Chris Ola and others, but it's rudimentary. voice-verified

So you're using AI systems you don't totally understand. voice-verified

to monitor AI systems you don't totally understand. voice-verified

And the systems are making each other stronger at an accelerating rate if things go the way you think they're gonna go. voice-verified

How confident are you that we're gonna understand that? voice-verified

I have read enough of the frightened ideas about AI superintelligence and takeoff to know that in almost every single one of them, the key move in the story voice-verified

is that the AI systems become recursively self-improving. voice-verified

They're writing their own code, they're deploying their own code, it's getting faster, they're writing it faster, they're deploying it faster, and now you're getting to faster and faster iteration cycles. voice-verified

Are you worried about it? voice-verified

Are you excited about it? voice-verified

But the thing that always strikes me and has always struck me as being dangerous about this is everybody knows, and if I ask a member of any of the companies whether or not they want to be cautious here, they will tell me they do. voice-verified

On the other hand, it is their almost only advantage over each other. voice-verified

And you all just revoked OpenAI's ability to use cloud code because, as best I can tell you, think it is genuinely speeding you up and you don't want it to speed them up. voice-verified

There is something here between the... voice-verified

weight of the forces, the power of the forces that I think you all know you're playing with, and the very, very, very strong incentives to be first. voice-verified

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