Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

And I can really imagine being inside Anthropic and thinking, well, better us than OpenAI, better us than Alphabet, Google, better us than China. voice-verified

And that being a very strong reason to not slow down voice-verified

I don't even know that this is a question I believe you can answer, but how do you balance that? voice-verified

But they're probably... voice-verified

either won't be or it won't be that strong. voice-verified

I mean, this actually sometimes frustrates me when I talk to all of you at the top of the AI companies, which is the emergence of like a very naive deus ex machina of regulation where you all know voice-verified

what the regulatory landscape looks like. voice-verified

Right now, the big debate is whether or not we're going to completely preempt any state AI regulation. voice-verified

And you know how slowly things move. voice-verified

There has been nothing major passed by Congress on this at all, I would say. voice-verified

And setting up some kind of independent testing and evaluation system that all the different labs buy into, it would be hard, it would be complicated. voice-verified

And it is, given how fast people are moving and how strange the behaviors the systems are already exhibiting are, even if you could get the policy right at a high speed, the question of whether or not the testing would be capable of finding everything you want on a rapidly self-improving system is a very open question. voice-verified

Do you think we're good enough at the testing? voice-verified

I think one reason I'm skeptical is not that I don't think we can set up something that claims to be a test. voice-verified

As you say, we have done that already. voice-verified

It is that the resources going into that compared to the resources going into speeding these systems. voice-verified

And already I am reading anthropic reports that Claude maybe knows when it's being tested and alters its behavior accordingly. voice-verified

So a world where more of the code is being written by Claude and less of it is being understood is voice-verified

I just know where the resources are going. voice-verified

They don't seem to be going into the testing side. voice-verified

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