Fareed Zakaria

But, you know, there's a way to do it that's consistent with our values.

And it's sort of the opposite of what the whole point of liberal democracy is.

You know, this is kind of like highly mobilized societies charged to find internal enemies.

And, you know, it feels very different.

Like the whole point of liberal democracy is you live in your house, the government respects your privacy, nobody interferes with your, you know, you go on, you have your wonderful private life.

Amen.

you know civil society builds that's that's what it used to be and that's what the whole idea of capitalism and and liberal democracy was and american democracy the craziest thing to me has been watching the don't tread on me crowd flip over to

An idealization of state power.

That's right.

You know, that the president should be the one doling out, you know, I'm going to give NVIDIA this contract.

I'm not going to give it to Exxon because you wasn't nice to me.

Right.

And now the Swiss can have lower tariffs because they gave me a gold bar.

I mean, that is, you know, that's that state power of a kind that, you know, no president has ever wielded.

It looked like that at the time.

You know, it's funny.

It's like, it's like, that's the thing about life is, you know, this is what gives me hope, John.

Nothing stays the same.

So that's what we have to hope.

To the rare parts.