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Fareed Zakaria

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

The first ad he took out when he was a real estate developer, I think it was in 1985, was an ad about how Japan was ripping us off economically and Europe was ripping us off by free riding on security. And what that represents, I think, fundamentally is a kind of rejection of the open international system that the United States and Europe has built over the last eight decades.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

The first ad he took out when he was a real estate developer, I think it was in 1985, was an ad about how Japan was ripping us off economically and Europe was ripping us off by free riding on security. And what that represents, I think, fundamentally is a kind of rejection of the open international system that the United States and Europe has built over the last eight decades.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

You know, if you think about it for a minute, it really is a remarkable achievement. You go back to international relations before 1945, and it's just constant war, mercantilism, protectionism, The two Yale scholars who tabulated in the 100 years before World War II, there's about 150 territorial conquests, you know, aggression, taking of territory, legitimization of that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

You know, if you think about it for a minute, it really is a remarkable achievement. You go back to international relations before 1945, and it's just constant war, mercantilism, protectionism, The two Yale scholars who tabulated in the 100 years before World War II, there's about 150 territorial conquests, you know, aggression, taking of territory, legitimization of that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Since 1945, there have been practically none. You have an open international economy. You have free trade. You have rules. You have travel and patents. I mean, there's a huge area of kind of international cooperation that people don't think about, but that happens all the time, every day, you know, when you fly, when goods go from one place to another.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Since 1945, there have been practically none. You have an open international economy. You have free trade. You have rules. You have travel and patents. I mean, there's a huge area of kind of international cooperation that people don't think about, but that happens all the time, every day, you know, when you fly, when goods go from one place to another.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And what Trump, I think, has taken from that whole world is the US has been the sucker. The US has been the country that's had to underwrite it. The US is the country that's opened itself up to the world and everyone takes advantage of the US. So I don't know that he wants to tear it down, but he wants to seriously renegotiate or perhaps even redo that system.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And what Trump, I think, has taken from that whole world is the US has been the sucker. The US has been the country that's had to underwrite it. The US is the country that's opened itself up to the world and everyone takes advantage of the US. So I don't know that he wants to tear it down, but he wants to seriously renegotiate or perhaps even redo that system.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Yeah, there is a certain truth to that, that the United States does have enormous power. And by the way, they're even right about the fact that the United States is more open to, for example, the world's goods and services than they are to ours. The United States has long practiced a kind of asymmetrical free trade. So after World War II, we decided we would open up our markets globally.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Yeah, there is a certain truth to that, that the United States does have enormous power. And by the way, they're even right about the fact that the United States is more open to, for example, the world's goods and services than they are to ours. The United States has long practiced a kind of asymmetrical free trade. So after World War II, we decided we would open up our markets globally.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

to Europe and East Asia, to Japan and South Korea. And the reason we did that was we were trying to build an international system where everyone benefited, where there really wasn't that feeling of beggar thy neighbor, zero-sum game, where everyone went into a competitive spiral, which then ends up in nationalism and war. We were trying to build something different. And we thought, you know,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

to Europe and East Asia, to Japan and South Korea. And the reason we did that was we were trying to build an international system where everyone benefited, where there really wasn't that feeling of beggar thy neighbor, zero-sum game, where everyone went into a competitive spiral, which then ends up in nationalism and war. We were trying to build something different. And we thought, you know,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We can be a little generous here. Let's let everyone grow and we'll do fine in the process. And of course, the data is overwhelming. Yes, Europe and Japan and South Korea and places like that grew, but the United States absolutely dominated the world. Because it's a classic, positive sum game.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We can be a little generous here. Let's let everyone grow and we'll do fine in the process. And of course, the data is overwhelming. Yes, Europe and Japan and South Korea and places like that grew, but the United States absolutely dominated the world. Because it's a classic, positive sum game.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We created a much larger global economy, much larger trading system, huge capital flows, and we were at the center of it. The dollar was the reserve currency of the world, which alone gives us incredible advantages. You know, we're the only country that doesn't have to worry that much about debt and deficits because we know that at the end of the day, the dollar is the reserve currency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We created a much larger global economy, much larger trading system, huge capital flows, and we were at the center of it. The dollar was the reserve currency of the world, which alone gives us incredible advantages. You know, we're the only country that doesn't have to worry that much about debt and deficits because we know that at the end of the day, the dollar is the reserve currency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And my feeling is if you take that system and say, OK, we're going to look at each bilateral relationship and see if we can squeeze this country for a slightly better deal, you probably will get a better deal. But two things will happen. The first thing is you will end up fracturing your alliances because the people with whom you have the most leverage are your allies.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And my feeling is if you take that system and say, OK, we're going to look at each bilateral relationship and see if we can squeeze this country for a slightly better deal, you probably will get a better deal. But two things will happen. The first thing is you will end up fracturing your alliances because the people with whom you have the most leverage are your allies.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We have more leverage with Canada than we have with Russia because Canada depends on us for security. Canada trades with us a lot. Its economy is intricately tied to the U.S. economy. So you can bully Canada. You can't really bully Russia that much because we don't do much trade with them. You can't bully China. It's another vast continental economy that can survive just fine.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

We have more leverage with Canada than we have with Russia because Canada depends on us for security. Canada trades with us a lot. Its economy is intricately tied to the U.S. economy. So you can bully Canada. You can't really bully Russia that much because we don't do much trade with them. You can't bully China. It's another vast continental economy that can survive just fine.