Felicity Evans

Now, there are a lot of other candidates who will absolutely challenge that take and say they are in with much more of a shout than the polls are allowing them.

And I think there's really a...

over the muscle memory for a lot of voters when they go in, you know, that tradition, that culture of voting Labour, you know, will they actually be able to ditch that when push comes to shove?

We really don't know the answer.

But, you know, it looks like a lot of Welsh candidates are really reaching for some cold comfort from some of the things they've been saying.

No, that's right.

I mean, he's really soft peddled the independence message during this election campaign.

And when he in various TV debates, for example, when he's been asked directly about it, he kind of answers the question with a question, you know.

So, you know, an audience member in one debate said to him, look, do you have an independence agenda and all this sort of thing?

And his reply was, do I have ambition for Wales?

Yes, I do.

You know, that sort of thing.

What the party has said, though, is that, and Rina Pjodwerth has said, is that I understand that I've got to bring the people of Wales with me and it's not going to happen without your agreement.

So what the party has said in their manifesto is that they're going to spend around...

that they're going to spend around half a million pounds on a commission that will look at ways of sort of developing the independence agenda, if you like.

But he's also ruled out during the lifetime of the next Senedd any attempt to hold a referendum on independence.

It's something that, you know, he is trying to draw attention away from, I would say.

And he is focusing far more on presenting Plaid Cymru as the way to stop reform winning the Senedd election.

And I say winning.

No one is likely to get a majority.