Gavin de Becker

But he felt really shitty.

When he stopped, he feels great.

And we'll see how things go.

But the idea that they were trying to push was...

If you test positive for HIV, they say it point blank, you will die from this disease and there's nothing that can stop it except these drugs.

And that turns out not to be true.

And, you know, they were taking antibiotics, which were at the parties in big bowls.

Yeah, because they had all this was a tremendous amount of sex.

It was almost a statement of freedom in the gay rights movement.

And the people had all kinds of infections.

So they were scooping up antibiotics and taking antibiotics.

And, of course, AIDS is real.

They destroyed their immune system.

No question about it.

And poppers.

And Duisburg – Poppers is the big one, right?

Yeah.

Well, poppers certainly causes the specific respiratory issue that was associated with AIDS.

And they kept changing – the NIH and CDC kept changing the definition along the way.

And there's a great line in the real Anthony Fauci, a book I know you read.