Gavin de Becker

This is very recent.

So was it X or Twitter?

It was Twitter, 2018, 2019.

And they would get things to trend.

And how would they do it?

Well, when Twitter shut down their bots, they had 40,000 people sitting in their houses and they would send out the message of the day like –

Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew.

He happens not to be Jewish.

Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew who's robbing us at night, et cetera, because they were in a competition with Bezos over various things.

And then it would trend.

And so when I saw that happening with Twitter—

I thought to myself, well, every country should do that.

I don't mean I like it.

I just mean it's kind of obvious that if you have an opportunity to communicate with your population in a way that makes particularly young people in Saudi Arabia, they're the ones who are going to come over the castle wall one day.

So they if you can control their perceptions, of course, that's what every country in world history has done.

Every country has a narrative.

Right.

Ours was when I was growing up and you to anybody can become president.

You know, the government works for us.

We don't work for the government.