Ginny Andersen

I think most people get a bit confused as to what's going on.

Maybe that could be part of this.

It sort of reminds me of one of these dystopian futuristic sci-fi kind of Netflix dramas where we imagine a weird future and put ourselves onto it.

I just can't envisage that actually happening.

And so there are sort of fundamental principles that we don't agree on.

And so New Zealand, we in Labour, we think that people who...

don't have enough money through working a 40-hour week should be able to do that.

Should have lots more of other people's money.

Well, I'm waiting for the international media.

I'm waiting for the international media to cotton up the fact that there was a journalist

who actually showed her phone to a member of Parliament and asked the question, do you recognise this toaster?

Mike, you've got to explain... And he had to identify the toaster.

He had to identify the toaster.

This is surreal.

He actually said, have you seen this toaster before?

That was the question.

Have you seen this?

Anyone can find this toaster.

That's a good question, Mark.

I've been meeting with lots of different education groups.