Gordon D’Arcy

You really enjoy putting the boot in.

So it is about perspective.

And yeah, they nearly lost the game.

Could easily have lost the game.

But I think importantly, you didn't.

But the lens is still now post-match is very much about...

focusing on the what if you could have lost the game rather than... So you can imagine that being a big frustration for any coach.

We'll be very sure that nothing happens by chance with Leo.

So if that was clear in the air, he's thought about it, he's done it, he's very comfortable saying what he wants to say.

just when you're talking there about the high performance thing and you look internally first, that is 100% what Leo would do beforehand, before going in that, and knows how it will be viewed and how it will be changed.

But it will at least, because I think the way he delivered it, it will make people question, is that level of criticism fair?

He'll spend six minutes not answering questions.

Correct.

But I like it.

In the same way I liked the way Andy Farrar stood up for his players.

It's one of those small things in a changing room that when the main lad goes to bat for you as players, in almost 20 years in professional rugby, the most valuable currency is honesty.

And when a coach has that, then they get respect, then they get trust, they get all of these.

And Leo exemplifies that in the same way I think Andy Farrell does.

I think that's why he gets a lot of that trust in behind it.

So that's not just sending a message to...