Graydon Carter

Waterboarding?

You mean being tortured?

Yes.

He said it was one of the most horrible experiences of his life.

He hired a guy.

There was a firm.

To experience what it's like to be waterboarded.

But then I would send him on this course of self-improvement.

where we would tidy him up and get him a proper suit made and go to a Savile Row tailor and get shoes made for him and get a proper haircut and get his nails done.

And then I'd heard about this.

There were these sisters on 57th Street called the Jay Sisters, and they were Brazilian sisters who invented a lot of waxing operations.

And they invented the bikini wax, for instance, for women.

But they also invented something for men called...

and I'd heard about this called the back, the crack and the sack.

Oh yes.

So I thought I called Christopher and I said, okay, the last thing, let's, let's try this.

And I, it took him a while to understand what I was talking about.

And then he just sort of shuddered and he said, I'll, I'll try it.

Anyway, he goes up to 57th street, the J sisters, um, wax him.

He comes back.