Hannah Rosen

It's been federal government putting pressure on states to hold local police departments accountable, like in George Floyd's death, for example.

And now we have this inversion, like the states trying to put a check on federal officers.

How does that inversion change the power dynamic here?

Looking back at the history, is there a case, a moment, an instance, which gives you hope about this situation, where something or someone or some state has risen to the occasion in a way that we can look to now and think, oh, that's the model?

I think what's challenging about this particular moment is that the federal government didn't just forgo investigating whether the shooting was justified.

Now they seem to be opening an investigation into Becca Good, the widow of Renee Good.

So what do you make of all that?

The federal government's just absolute definitive stance.

Well, Brenna, thank you so much for explaining this all to us and its implications.

So in short, no, federal agents such as ICE officers do not have absolute immunity, despite what the Trump administration says.

States can prosecute federal officers, although we're not used to seeing that lately.

And it sounds like it's a long road.

So does the average ICE officer on the streets of Minneapolis think they're immune?

And how does that affect their behavior?

After the break, we go inside the Department of Homeland Security.

We talk to Nick Miroff, Atlantic staff writer who covers immigration.

That's in a minute.

Nick, welcome back to the show.

So it's already been an eventful year for ICE and DHS and then came last week.

Hours after Rene Good was killed, we all saw those videos circulating about the shooting.