Hannah Rosen

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This week, Donald Trump spoke on the phone with Tim Walz, the Minnesota governor he considers a political enemy.

The call was something of a minor concession in a week of minor concessions.

The killing of Alex Preddy by federal agents looks like a turning point.

Trump started hearing objections from everywhere, including people who normally support him — Republicans, gun rights advocates, celebrities, athletes.

So the president made some moves.

He ushered Greg Bovino out of Minnesota.

The Department of Homeland Security said they put the two agents involved in Preti's shooting on administrative leave.

And Trump called for a, quote, big investigation into the shooting.

I'm Hannah Rosen.

This is Radio Atlantic.

In this episode, an interview with Walls.

Atlantic staff writer Isaac Stanley Becker interviewed the governor on Wednesday to get a sense of whether he thinks the promises Trump is making will make a difference on the ground in Minnesota.

Isaac, welcome to the show.

So going into this interview with Tim Walz, what was the main thing that you were wondering about?

Was there any point where Walz felt like he could have done anything differently to de-escalate or tone things down or even prevent what happened?

Because he came in, you know, somewhat hot, I would say, in his interview with you.

After the break, we hear Governor Walz's reaction to the news that federal agents involved in the Alex Preddy shooting have been placed on leave.