Harry Stebbings

and $200 to $250 million before you can make your first dollar of revenue on a defense product.

Quoting from Matt Stackman, who's the president of CBO Vandrell.

Quoting from Matt Stackman, who's the president of CBO Vandrell.

I think he knows his shit.

I think he knows his shit.

That's just tough for me as like a seed venture investor to get on board with that cost curve to dollar gain.

That's just tough for me as like a seed venture investor to get on board with that cost curve to dollar gain.

You mentioned a couple of times about also investing as well.

You mentioned a couple of times about also investing as well.

Fantastic investors.

Fantastic investors.

We've invested a lot together.

We've invested a lot together.

Should more operators be investors at the same time?

Should more operators be investors at the same time?

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Okay, because flip side, when you take institutional money, it's a great responsibility of taking on someone else's money.

Okay, because flip side, when you take institutional money, it's a great responsibility of taking on someone else's money.

And you have already made a promise to your employer that you will devote your best efforts and all of your energy to making them successful and the company successful.