Helen Thorn

Delighted, delighted.

I feel very excited that we're meeting online, but I can't wait to meet in person one day.

That is just such a joy because, like, for me, like, you know, Ellie and I sat in Ellie's lounge, as you know, and banged on, had a few wines and talked about the chaos, the mess, the unbelievable frustration that was motherhood, but also the total, as you said, love, joy and all those sorts of, all the extremes.

So for me to know that I was in your ears, I was in your life, that's a lovely thing.

That's lovely.

And now we're meeting.

It's beautiful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which I did.

I was like, oh, okay.

Aha, aha, yeah.

A little bit of heightened emotions, hormones, that's fine.

But actually, sometimes you need that push to cry.

Let it out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

And I think it was, you know, there were so many layers, so many things like, you know, the terrible marriage and losing myself in all aspects.

And then when it is out of your control, stripped bare, and you're having to rebuild that, that's...

Very confronting because you know who you project to people.

You know the version of yourself that you're telling or you want people to think of you, but who is the real version?