Hilary Duff

And we're like, oh, let me do it for you.

You know, like sometimes we do, of course, we like our kids to... We like to take care of our kids.

But, you know, we have the conversation a lot that's like the more they do, the more they can do.

And the more you can do, the better you feel about yourself.

You know, so just being...

Trying to hold them accountable to be competent for their level is something that I feel like helps form your confidence and will make us feel okay about sending them off into the world at some point.

You're like, hope she's wearing a ponytail.

We could talk about this for hours.

That's a good thing, right?

I think it is time and just getting to the place where you can be in the trenches with someone and

I mean, for me, I think Matt and I, I always loved hanging out with him.

He made me laugh like crazy.

He just kept showing up for me over and over again.

And I think coming out of

you know, being divorced and being a young mom and having a lot of stuff happen in my family life.

I think I was just like not ready for super health yet.

And someone who was like totally nice to me and wanted to like have like a healthy relationship and just like keep showing up, I guess.

And so it took us a little while to, well, it took me a little while to just like, I think, accept something good.

Mm-hmm.

And it wasn't until we had Banks, which is our seven-year-old, that I feel like I really could settle in to the relationship when I realized the kind of parents we were and how we were doing as parents together.