Hilary Duff

You know what I mean?

You put like all of your stuff aside and I had to like deal with all of that later to just make sure that like he was okay.

And then, you know, you file for divorce and TMZ literally has like an office at the LA courthouse.

So they see every single paper that goes through.

So like within 50 minutes, they're like reporting everything.

And then you have to like process it along the world, alongside with the world, you know?

probably when i started like dating again um and like my divorce was finalized and we were you know co-parenting and stuff like i i think it was just something like

I had a lot of therapy.

That was a very helpful tool to help confront the feelings that would come up.

I was 26, 27.

No, I was 27, 28.

And that's such a crazy time.

That's a very fun time of your life.

And I started to allow myself to...

have fun through something really painful.

And I feel like that's actually a very heavy theme in my life.

Like this record, there's a lot of like heavy themes disguised as like joy because it's pop music.

And I feel like that is a huge part of like how I operate.

Like,

This big thing can be happening over here and it's really hard and it's a struggle and I'm going to sort it out.