Holly Wainwright

Okay.

This, where we're at now, you know, the book, the book is out.

You have, your life has, as you said, you know, moved on.

You've had a baby.

I don't know, moved on sounds terrible.

You know what I mean.

Move forward.

Move forward.

You've had a baby.

Yeah.

Your life looks pretty different than it did.

How does Katie exist for you now?

Was your mum, are you anywhere near where your mum said you might be one day or do you still feel like that's a long way off of when you think about her, which I'm sure you do all the time and you look at Nora, I'm sure, and think I wish you'd met and all those things.

Is there, has it become anything like a nice thing yet?

Obviously, we'll direct everybody to how they can donate.

But I wanted to leave this conversation with something that you've said that you really want people to take from this book, because as I hope you've gathered listening to this conversation, the book is really about the joy of friendship.

And I know that what you want people to do when they, well, you tell me, what do you want people to do when they read this book to honour the kind of friendship that you and Katie had for so many years?

Grace, I want to thank you for sharing Katie with us.

Thank you.

And sharing your amazing friendship story and for writing this beautiful book.