Holly Wainwright

No, Jennifer Garner's going to get that.

No, Jennifer Lopez, the Jennifers.

It was that era.

And so she became a big deal.

famously she had this husband called roger and he also became famous because he was in the show a lot he was and he was kind of very like he dressed really flashy they have this amazing apartment in la and you were at home with them you were in their world you were at their garden parties you were and she and roger had been together since they were kids like since they were at

I think college, I think they met at college, right?

And so then they started businesses together.

He was very much involved in her work and they were together all up for nearly 30 years until last year when she announced that they had split.

They've got two kids who they had relatively late in their relationship.

So they've got two boys, Skylar and Caius, great names, naughty names, born in 2011 and 2013.

And they were also involved in the TV, in the, you know, all the coverage.

But anyway,

announced a split, and then the reason Rachel Zoe is all over my feed right now is because she is on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

So, she's back, she's on the TV, and she's talking about the divorce heaps, including with her kids.

And it's led to a lot of kind of coverage about how the housewives, who were all once, you know, housewives, 20 years ago when that show came out, the new crop are often like hot divorcees, spilling their guts about their relationships.

So I'm about to play you a little grab from the show.

And in it, she's talking to her two boys who are sort of tween-age teenagers in the kitchen about her ex-husband, their father, who doesn't live with them anymore.

And this is on the show.

Is it great that we're examining through people like Rachel Zoe this new divorce life, or is it a bit weird that her kids are talking about their dad on the TV?

Because she's been talking on podcasts and on TV shows and on the show itself, of course, about their divorce, about the final straws, about the fact he's got a new girlfriend, about the fact that she didn't know who she was.