Holly Wainwright

I think that in some ways the quiet quitting has also led to, we've talked about a little bit, these different models of long-term divorce

monogamy now where maybe, and this is what happened to Monique Van Torda, who I was talking about, is that when she returned to her marriage, they kind of instituted a new way of what that looked like.

They're still together.

They still like being together, but twice a year, they will take time apart to do things that they want to do.

And it's not crisis time apart.

It's just, this is what works.

And I think that if you unpick all the expectations and, you know, we were saying, what about this generation who likes to talk about things a lot and

is that maybe a positive thing about this is it's allowing us to mess with the model and go no I do love you and like my marriage but I can't just be in this conventional model of you and I just us forever doing the crossword when we're 70 me still making dinner you still mowing the lawn like maybe that's enough but what if it's not but we don't want to break up

See, that's the salad in me.

Suddenly optimistic with an air of superiority.

In a moment, what colour is your aura?

No, I don't really want to know.

I don't really want to know.

I just want to talk about Ariana, Cynthia and the power of the irritating press tour.

These people.

I love them unconditionally.

I will not hear a word against either of them.

These people, as far as we know, are not tripping.

Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo on a red carpet promoting Wicked for good.

For good.