Howie

Yeah.

So you learn all these things as you go.

And I was lucky.

I was 24 in 1999.

So I was still learning about it all.

A couple of your teammates.

One of my favourite episodes in 10 years of this show was Daniel Ailey.

I normally say how you're feeling about this, but I've got to tell you I have some anxiety around this.

Really?

I do because I loved you as a footballer.

I was amazed by you as a coach and after reading and watching, I'm floored by you as a person and I don't want to be clumsy with the way I talk about certain things.

How are you feeling about it?

No, I'm relaxed.

I'm fine.

And it was when her documentary came out by Jam TV and Luke Tunnicliffe and the team and they did an amazing job and she was so open and

And it was – I was out of my depth chatting with her in a lot of areas, but she said, Howie, just ask me what you want.

But that doco, the bit that stands out in my mind, and I watched it again last night, was when you were having dinner with some of your former teammates in Perth.

is me.

And I got quite emotional watching it again after hearing her story.

Tell me about your relationship with the Junkyard Dog, Dean Lately, who was my favourite North Melbourne player because, as I said to her, she gave every skinny bloke hope.