Howie

And then now she's Danielle and she's doing...

amazing things in the community.

It was explained to me that you've got a great relationship with her and she mentioned it in the podcast.

She mentioned about three people and you were one of them.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, I played with her and then I was the captain while she was the coach.

So that relationship's, you know, and I'm sure there was stuff going on I didn't know about while she was playing.

I was like...

It was a little bit out of my – we weren't tied mates in that period.

But clearly some stuff there I had no idea about.

But you hear little things here and there and they were loose.

Some of those older guys were really loose and they did their own thing on occasions.

But –

Fast forward, I don't know, five, six years, and then she comes back and she's the senior coach.

And I just connected in a way where give me the message and I will sell it to the players.

And if this is how we're going to beat Geelong, then let's do it.

And I would be a massive advocate for, you know, pushing that down.

So her football knowledge was exceptional.

She was in front of the game, you know, and probably didn't have the list to really push out her capabilities.

But I just bought in and –