Ian De Bode

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Bankless · How Ondo Is Bringing Stocks and Perps Onchain | Ian De Bode · 2 Jul 2026 podcast

You can do these types of pair trades in a very different way.

You can build towards proper portfolio margin that most institutions right now have access to, but retail globally typically does not.

So you can go really capital efficient and really bring, build towards proper prime brokerage for everyone involved.

You could also think about, you know, just different type of trading strategies or different type of income streams, depending on how you use the stock.

So one thing you could do is say, hey, I'm going to construct the equivalent of a max seven ETF, right?

You just have your seven major stocks that you put in there.

You put that in tokenized form in a wrapper so that people can buy the max seven ETF.

But you could think about potentially juicing the return of that ETF equivalent by maybe over the weekend, you take those single stocks and you deposit them on the PER platform to actually then use it as a short, collect the funding and do the carry trade, right?

So what does an ETF on the MAC-7 look like where over the weekend, you're doing the carry trade and collecting the funding, right?

I don't know.

But those are the types of things that people are going to start experimenting with pretty quickly.

And that really opens up, I think, new types of strategies, both active and passive, that crypto native capital is going to be interested in.

But if people really find a winning strategy or winning product strategy, I'm pretty sure that's going to get productized and be offered to even trad five brokerages pretty soon, just like we saw with an ETF on a crypto

product and you built that into a TradFi brokerage?

Before you know it, people are going to be able to construct different type of product portfolios on chain with a superior return of what you can normally get in TradFi, productize that and distribute it to institutional capital.

100%.

The next 12 to 18 months, once all these building blocks are in place, which is more or less happening right now, people are going to dramatically innovate in how asset management and even wealth management is done, right?

I think that really is the next frontier for all these tokenized stocks, ETFs, prediction markets, commodities, purpose platforms, and the like.

How does that feed into asset management, wealth management, product strategies?

It depends a little bit on your time horizon, right?

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