Ian De Bode

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Bankless · How Ondo Is Bringing Stocks and Perps Onchain | Ian De Bode · 2 Jul 2026 podcast

Are we talking two years, five years, 10 years?

Yeah, we're talking 10 years.

Yeah.

As a product category, I don't see why a PERP wouldn't be able to grow into the same size as like the options market.

I mean, it's just a very different way to get leverage on an instrument, on an actual stock.

I mean, the benefit of an option is you're never going to get liquidated on it, right?

But options are very difficult to understand for the normal retail trade.

I mean, you could argue that too, yes.

I mean, it's a binary bet in a way, right?

But at least as the volatility in the market, as you approach that expiry, you're not going to get liquidated by volatility in the market, which you would on a PERP.

Fair.

So, you know, in that sense, options are great.

perps are pretty great because they're just so simple, right?

And they're synthetic 24-7 already.

Everyone can kind of understand it.

Perps aren't perfect right now.

The whole ADL mechanism and the like is not great, but

I'm pretty sure we're going to continue to find some better workarounds, better capital efficiency via tokenized stock as collateral, all these sorts of things.

So I think perps can really grow into a pretty mature category.

And then spot as a thing in and of itself is also interesting.

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