Ivan Barabanov

You know, what is the crazy thing is that somehow they've convinced themselves and they, they truly, truly, truly believe that they're protecting and it comes from a good place in, in the heart, you know, they, they really think that they're doing a very important

and the right team in defending dogs and training.

And that makes it difficult to have conversations because of how much they have been convinced that they're on the right path.

And as you said, United States or anywhere else where electric collars or whatever tools are allowed, you will see...

stupid training and not just stupid training just like like you wish to either walk away or walk in and take the dog out of these people because it's just heartbreaking to to see it you know yeah these people you take the electric collar away what happens they're not going to become clicker trainers they're gonna

Again, for Europe, you know that saying, the train has already left the station.

It's extremely hard for you to go all the way back

But I see that you guys are trying to bring some reason into the discussion carefully, and I appreciate that.

In the States, what is interesting overall in how, let's say, you know, just like with guns, we can have guns.

I mean, I have guns.

I have

I have things, you know, it's like, it's my rights, right?

It's America, good or bad, but that's, that's who we are.

And we fight, like we fight very hard and we use science and we use competitions and we use everything possible to demonstrate excellent training.

and promote excellent training, regardless how you're getting there.

Because if you have excellent training, that means you have incredible relationship with the dog.

That dog wants to.

You see the dog not afraid and scared.

And we get pressured.

from Europe, from different high level in the organization, in the working protection dog sports, to where it's like, well, you cannot have pictures with training like this, or you cannot use the stick hits.