Ivan Barabanov

Basically, it is frustrating for us here that we are fighting very hard

against any abuse, but also not for somebody that has no idea how to train dogs to tell us what dog training is about.

And the interesting part where I want to get to this is that we, on top of everything else that we're fighting with everybody, and we're very successful because in the States,

The pressure started exactly at the same time as it was in Europe, but we have been very successful to contain it and to never allow it to happen.

What is interesting is that we are starting to get pressure now from the organizations that do protection sports, even though they understand and don't want to talk about it, but they understand that this is not a bad thing, but because that's

the pressure they have to comply in Europe are trying to force it on us here.

And that kind of puts us down.

Like we would, in some ways, expect that at least we get some kind of... It doesn't need to be a support, but it doesn't need to inflict this kind of control when we know that it's not...

No, I know.

I know very well.

Yeah, I know very well.

And you know why?

Because we actually did a study.

I don't know if you even know, if you've heard.

I mean, these are the kind of things that Europeans should...

use what we do here sometimes.

Like for example, we did a very cool study using electric collar for exactly the same situation that you are talking about predation, predation, you know, the motor pattern of predation instincts.

And, and when, when that system gets activated, I mean, I'm not teaching you, everybody needs to hear this more.

But when that system gets activated, this is internally very strong, very self-rewarding system that any external reinforcer or reward, they're like, I don't need this.

I have a purpose right now.