Ivan Barabanov

I'm chasing.

So we did a study and the force three, the all positive training, we compared it.

They failed 100%.

They failed

100% all dogs.

And we had 100% success.

But the interesting part, sometimes the force-free trainers will say, well, you used the wrong approach with the force-free and that's why it didn't work.

Okay, let's, I know that

I'm ready to do that experiment again, but let's say even that's true.

What was more important in that study is that we showed that with very brief discomfort, those dogs, all dogs in that group, they stopped chasing.

But the more important part was that there were no side effects.

that the force-free people want you to believe that happen all the time.

You know, fear, intimidation, pain, and all these things, and the dogs are afraid of the owner, they're afraid to come to the field.

None of that was present.

And so there is a lot of new studies and a lot of new conversations that we have here in the States.

Yes, very much so.

Very much so.

Because even if you want to do it the right way, you don't know what the right way is because it's all taboo.

super complicated situation you guys are in yeah yeah but going even with the pet dogs in the states you know like you will have like this happens daily i mean i as much as i do protection dogs and sport dogs i also am very interested in and i have a pet training business and we deal with dogs that have problems you know and the most interesting cases are

The ones where the force free people have tried and done and whatever.