Ivan Krastev

labor market, what you are not going to share is power.

This understanding of democracy where citizenship goes with ethnicity, with race and things like this, this is changing.

But is it also not true that part of the strengths of Trump came from the fact that for many people around the world, disorder was disorder?

And for example, his major point was, I'm against liberal hypocrisy.

We are talking about democracy, but in many places it was not about democracy.

From this point of view, the legitimacy of Trump paradoxically comes from the fact that he's the nightmare for the conspiracy theorist.

Because before America goes to Venezuela,

Talk about democracy, people suspect it's about oil.

And then he comes and said, no, no, it's only about oil.

It's about oil.

You cannot be conspiracy theorist anymore unless you believe that he goes there for democracy and just talks about oil.

Exactly.

It's like, what?

But what he's not understanding is that hypocrisy, of course, was awful and many of the people hated it.

But also hypocrisy is a constraint.

Because I'm saying that I go for democracy, I should do certain things.

And there are certain things that I will not do.

And from this point of view, this is in my view changing dramatically because what Trump does not understand, he is every revolutionary leader, does not respect borders.

Talking to the French judges, for sure.

Other American diplomats have been talking probably to French judges during the Cold War too.