Ivan Krastev

But normally, you are telling to the people, do it because we're going to invite you on our party.

And his major story is, I'm doing just for the Americans.

I don't care about any of you.

And this is an interesting story.

This is a major change.

For the first time, you have a kind of a major radical way to change the order.

And at the same time, he's not telling anybody else that they can benefit from this.

A colleague of mine, an American colleague of mine, told me something that is right or wrong, but I believe that it resonated strongly with me.

He said, it's not by accident that the only business in which Trump really felt spectacularly was the casino business.

Because in the casino business, in order to make money, you at least should try to create the illusions that others are winning.

And for him, allowing others to win is psychologically unacceptable.

And what he didn't like about the liberal order was that if America is so powerful, why we're not getting the spoils?

If we have taken the city, why basically we are not allowed to do in the city everything we want?

in these last 80 years than we have?

Listen, his answer is going to be in the last 30 years, the best did China.

And then he said how it happened that after World War II, Japan and Germany did so well.

Because this is his idea of a zero-sum game.

For him, that you are governing not because you're doing well, but because your enemies are doing badly.

And this is interesting.

He goes, and you're totally right.