Jack Barsky

Yeah.

So if you ever watch the Americans, there are a lot of scenes where the handler of the two illegals is meeting with them.

That never happened.

There was a hard rule that you do not meet

an illegal will not meet with another agent in the country where he operates so so communication was uh it wasn't direct it was indirect they they sent me the stuff whatever they wanted to communicate in morse code once a week by the way that's still being used and it's it's significantly

better than using social media or the internet because when you send signals out into the ether, people know where it came from, but people don't know who's actually listening to it.

Right.

Then to communicate back to Russia, what are you doing?

Secret writing.

I had what they call convenience addresses.

These were collaborators with the KGB in other countries.

So I would write a letter as if I knew about them.

I knew anything.

Said, I'm sorry, you know, you broke your leg or something like open text.

And then I overlaid this with some secret writing.

And then I would mail this thing.

And then they would know that this had to be handed over to the KGB agent.

That's wild.

OK, so at some point during this process, you decide you don't want to be a KGB agent anymore.

What happened?