Jack Barsky

And so what were you seeing at the time?

And did you have a perception of like of the spy life?

And fundamentally, there was this dichotomy.

So we were listening primarily to music that came out of the West, West Germany and England and the United States.

But the communist art wasn't so bad.

There were like some really good movies.

There were inspirational stories, particularly when it came to espionage.

There was a series that was called The Invisible Visor.

It was about an East German who penetrated West Germany to find Nazis after World War II.

And make sure that these Nazis would meet the fate that they deserved.

And eventually he rose up in West German government and did a lot of interesting things.

He was all over the world.

You know, he was driving fast cars.

He was our James Bond.

Yes.

And he got the woman.

And this is what I thought was interesting.

what espionage would be like.

Obviously, it was highly ideological, fighting against the bad capitalists.

But it nevertheless was well done, artistically speaking.