Jacob Sathor

And then Ryan was like, yeah, all of that.

And I'm like, I'm hearing it.

I'm like, you mean all of that?

That's some tough stuff to do, man.

Give it some respect, man.

But no, what's that?

Yeah.

Again, the way he spoke about Mark Johnson was interesting to me, too, because, again, Mark Johnson is another.

And all of these people, the more we go on and the more we talk about them, and the less –

more episodes between talking about a specific person the more they can kind of morph into a two-dimensional piece um and mark johnson to me is a great example of that because i mean the the things that we've heard from him are definitely caricature-esque you know um and i love the distinction that this guy makes in this episode where he said he wasn't a mean guy he was just a

more so like a direct... They're just describing cowboy culture is what they're describing.

Being in Texas, in East Texas, I'm very, very, very familiar with that.

And there is no...

Just because someone is hardened, just because someone comes across as rough around the edges doesn't mean that there's a lack of character or a lack of a moral compass or they're more inclined to do things that the rest of us wouldn't.

It just means they're maybe brought up different.

They go about things differently.

a lot of my, my immediate family members are, are cowboys in nature and they're, it's, you're not going to talk about anything from the heart with them, but they will be the first people to help you if you need it, you know, but it, so it's a different kind of thing.

And I think Mark Johnson is a, is a great example of that in this case, especially if you're dealing with anybody over there in and around Piba.

And it sounds like they, that's just a rough and tumble way to environment to be dropped in every single day.

And, and so, um,