Jake White

That will also help attack us.

I mean, it sounds crazy because you'd say that helps the defending team.

It doesn't.

It actually makes the attacking team on the halfway line have a go as opposed to – because you're not going to get the love kicking the ball out on the – it's like almost running into touch, you know.

If I bring it back to... If you're really honest, you can penalise the hooker because he's always in front of the kicker when he's running towards the touchline.

Much better.

Much better.

I'll tell you why, Neil.

It's just the nature of rugby teams.

You're older.

Everyone who was 24 is now 25.

Everyone who's 26 is now 27.

It's just the nature of that group.

It's like anything.

That's the debate, I suppose, Ireland and Leinster are having, is what is the age profile of teams that you want?

I remember when I coached the box...

uh when i started we had 175 test caps in my very first test and we had 650 in my last test match at the world cup final now 650 in today's times is not enough test caps because people have got over a thousand test caps so it just shows you how you know that that philosophy of uh you know team cohesion and keeping people in positions especially nines and tens for a long period of time at value like the gregor and mortlocks or the carters and the

You know, and who's the scrum off then?

I mean, jeez, I'm going blank.

Who's the scrum off that played?