Jake White

I don't know, with Dan Carter?

Justin Marshall.

So the reality was, when you keep those positions together, and I've got no doubt, the Bulls now, last year we played without five of the players that will start this week, and five of those players are Kirtley, Oren, Serge, Gerrard, Steenkamp,

Andre Pollard, who would make the starting 23, you know, on any given test day.

And then you've got Elric Lowe and Cameron Anacom, who we know how good they are and they have been.

They mean they both beat the internationals.

They didn't play last year.

So are they better equipped, Neil?

I've got no doubt they're better equipped.

And because they're a year wiser, a year older.

and they've been there.

I think that a lot of times when you've been to that, I'm not saying it's a right, because I think that's also one of the messages I've always said in my press conferences.

I've seen lots of teams play European finals and never win it.

I've seen lots of teams get to different finals and never win it.

There's no right, in other words, given right to actually win a final.

You have to play well and

As much as I say, are they better equipped?

No doubt.

But I also believe it's still, you know, take nothing away from Leinster and how good Leinster can be when they're on song.

Interesting thing, Bernard, is the one thing we didn't want to do is give them lineouts because we found that defending from their lineouts was very difficult.