James Chandler

And do we need to become very disappointed with it for it then to become part of our everyday life?

Where do you think it is on that cycle?

One more thing.

A company or an individual, because there's plenty of them, that is maybe under the radar or worth people kind of looking at.

We all kind of know the big companies, but is there kind of anyone out there or any company that's kind of bubbling up?

American company.

Steve Brown, that was fun.

He was really good.

I was scribbling notes on my physical piece of paper without my AI note taker there.

Embrace 21st century thinking.

I quite like that.

And that's where these valuations are at.

They're at the sort of the long term future, not what's going to happen next week.

Three to 10 billion robots by 2040 is what he was saying.

And again, I think he makes this point, which I loved, which is we make all the time.

When he was talking about agents, he's like agents in partnership with humans, people.

Pair people with agents to amplify what you're doing.

It's not binary.

It's not one or the other.

If you think we're heading for some AI apocalypse where just the robots take over and we're all jobless, penniless and living under with the rats, it's not happening, unfortunately.