James Cleverley

He's not the prime minister.

He didn't do the reshuffle, Rory.

Johnson, Truss, Sunak, in a word.

And just before we get into Johnson, it's really interesting what you say, though, because part of my job in Downing Street was to try and keep ministers' quotes on message.

So you were saying there what I imagined at the time was probably what you thought.

How hard is it when you're like one of the key communicators and you were actually having to go out?

and say, this is all fine and she's got the plot and it's all making sense.

And Johnson?

We didn't really get to the bottom of the very first thing I asked you, which is why you're a Tory.

Because I'm not daft.

Okay, okay.

That's making a lot of assumptions in there.

Let me give you three and then you can wrap them all in one.

Okay, go on.

Would you like to be Mayor of London?

And would you ever...

Give me your direct reaction to how he handled, how Farage handled the Henry Novak.

I enjoyed the conversation.

I'm glad he didn't seem to remember that I once said he's the most misnamed politician since Andrew Adonis, which was one of my cruelest jibes against Mr. Cleverley.

But I thought he was thoughtful.