James Nestor

What's actually happening?

And so- That's a great question.

So I can tell you what we know.

We know that when you over-breathe, a lot of these, my hunch is that breath work you did, it's probably pretty intense.

Yeah.

Right, okay.

Yeah, it was fast.

It was like a lot of in, out, in, out, in, out, in, out.

So when we're over-breathing like that, we're actually inhibiting blood flow to the brain.

And if we over-breathe long enough, we can inhibit around 40% of the blood flow to the brain.

So the brain in some ways thinks it's dying.

Ah, so it's a DMT release of some sort?

People say that.

It's never been measured.

I tried to measure that for this book, and I was told by the researchers they could not measure it because it's so minute.

That kind of makes sense.

When people say, oh, this is my DMT breathing, that's not based on – it's good marketing, but it's not based on any measurements.

So this is a way of tricking your brain that something very wrong is going on, and if you stay there for long enough –

it starts to short circuit in some ways that can be beneficial.

You start thinking differently, right?