Jamie Laing

I thought you just moved.

Okay.

Like a dance move on top, which... And how did you form this opinion?

Well, I... Because I didn't... You don't... I didn't get... You don't get taught anything.

I wasn't taught anything.

I didn't know what I was doing.

You just kept going.

I kept on going.

But that is tenacity.

That is, I think what happens is in life is that we see the end product, right?

So what we do is we see the end product the whole time, which is where we watch someone finish, like do the hundred meters and they get to the finish line or they see your success and they go, okay, I want to be there.

They don't see the grind that it takes.

They don't see that little boy, 12 years old, going into Warner Music or wherever it is, getting up to the reception, having all that embarrassment come over there.

They just want that end product.

But actually, you have to do that hustle.

Every single thing, typically most people have done, there's been this hard graft at some point that people don't get to see.

And you've had that since 12th.

Yeah, but that's unique.

I would say that's a unique thing.

Like that is most...