Jamie Laing

And actually I completely agree with you.

In my 20s, I was doing lots of different things.

And there were things that I was doing that I was like, well, I'm successful now because I have an office.

But actually, I just was.

And now that I'm 35, I realized before everything was just nonsense.

And actually, what is success is...

there's lots of things, but knowledge is everything.

30 is a weird age when you hit it and you're not in a relationship and you're not married or whatever.

It's not married, but not in a relationship.

It feels a bit weird.

When I turned 30 and I had just broken up with my ex-girlfriend, I remember lying in bed and my dreams would be that I was just going to be alone forever.

That is so interesting because I remember for me, it was something like, again, we go back to this being drilled into you.

Okay.

You go to school.

You then go to university.

You come out of university.

You have a degree.

You get what they call a normal job.

You get the normal job.

You have the normal friends.