Jared Kushner

So, again, I don't know if that was the right thing or the wrong thing, right?

I've also seen leaders on the other end say, I'm going to do things that are short-term or selfish, right?

But the way they justify to themselves is to say, I believe that myself staying in power is existential to the greater good.

So I will do things that maybe are not in the greater good now because I believe that my maintaining power is.

And so it's complicated.

In an idealized world, I'd love to believe that's the case, but it's just way more complicated than that.

Yeah.

I wish it wasn't, but it is.

and it's just sad to see and i wish there was a kind of machinery of government would inspire people to be their best selves in their last days versus the war cells right when that system gets invented you know you'll you'll share with me what it is but it's uh look i let me give you another way to frame it which is and this was kind of the the revelation we spoke before about you know kind of when i was getting my butt kicked by the russian investigation and all the different areas

But kind of the basic framework I looked at was I said, okay, this all feels tough, but I said, the game's the game.

The game's been here way longer, but way before I came, and it'll be here way long after I leave.

And so I have two choices.

I can complain that the game's tough, it's not fair, it's not moral, or I can go and I can try to play the game as hard as possible.

And I think that there's two different things, right?

You have people who are willing to kind of sit in the stands and they're willing to yell at the players or make their...

their points known, or you have people who are willing to suit up and get in the arena and go play.

And I have a lot of respect for the people who suit up and go play.

And again, some of them, I wish they would play for different means, but the fact that they're willing to put their name on the ballot, make the sacrifice and go put on the pads and get hit and hit others.

I think that you need those people.

And I wish more people who had maybe the moral wiring that you discussed would be putting on a helmet and going to play because it's hard.