Jay Dyer
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first heard Jul 2026
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So the actual power of God, which can't be a created thing or created grace, which unfortunately, even a Latin Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, created grace becomes a normative thing where what you're getting is just another form of created grace.
The Orthodox Church is saying, no, no, no, the incarnation itself tells us that the uncreated united itself to human nature in incarnation, and that Jesus deified the human nature that he assumed with his own immortality, grace, and uncreated energy.
Liturgos has to do with the Greek word of offering or offering of thanks, offering of praise.
But it's also, in the Hebrew tradition, we think that that was proto-Christianity, the ancient Hebrew text.
It was part of, for example, David's Psalms.
Those were Psalms that David wrote to be sung at the temple liturgy.
Right.
So, liturgy is a sort of structured form of worship that...
Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians, they have a very structured form of worship that is called liturgy.
But originally, it just means sort of offering.
And even in Pauline epistles, like the book of Hebrews, towards the end of it in chapter 13, Paul talks about Christians have an altar that they eat from that the Jews that serve at the tabernacle have no right to eat from.
Because our altar is the true altar, which is thus a liturgical altar.
That very chapter he discusses the liturgical thanks and offering at that altar.
So from the earliest days, Christianity had this sort of altar-based form of worship.
Again, another Reformation distinctive is that they began to move away from the idea of an altar towards a table, right?
So you have sort of a desacralizing of the worship space to not be a Eucharistic offering, but a shared meal offering.
which, and we're not totally opposed to the idea of it being a shared meal, but it's first and foremost a worship offering.
If you go back to Abraham, Abraham built an altar.
God is always worshiped at an altar, at least the biblical God.
So for us, the Reformation then represents a form of turning away from that.
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