Jay Dyer
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 13 Jul
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In fact, this is one of the differences between...
the pre-Vatican II Roman Church and the Orthodox Church is that the Orthodox always put it in the vernacular.
Everything.
The liturgy homilies are supposed to be in the vernacular of the people.
In fact, the Vulgate itself was originally the vulgar Bible.
It was the Bible of the people.
And so, yeah, I think there was an element to where the Latin church, the Roman church had just sort of solidified into a kind of a tradition that, and it's not inherently wrong to maintain that linguistic heritage, but it's also possible to put it in the vernacular for the people.
Yeah.
uh i mean that's the whole idea behind translating the bible into you know the languages of the people so that they can understand it uh but that is one of the differences pre-vatican ii but interestingly after vatican ii there were both protestant and orthodox influences on the reforms of the roman cali church and thus rome then became emphasizing they began to emphasize the vernacular after vatican ii what is you said you were an iconoclast a smasher of idols
This is, again, a huge misunderstanding that we would argue we believe is part of proto-Christianity.
It's part of Hebrew proto-Christianity.
So when you go back to the book of Kings, when you go to the book of Exodus, and you see the way that the tabernacle and then later the temple are described, they are
tremendously ornate.
You've got gold images of angels and you've got the Ark of the Covenant with, you know, angelic imagery on it.
So we don't believe that
real old testament christianity or old testament judaism you could say not rabbinic judaism we think that's something different that developed in the fourth and fifth century what is something different yeah um but proto-christianity or or the hebrew tradition was not iconoclastic they were against idols but not all imagery in fact and this is something that really changed my mind when i was calvinist if you think about it the bible is a book but words are just iconographic versions of images they're a type of image of course
and so the more i thought a written word yeah the more i thought about that so well you can't actually say all images are bad because capital f-a-t-h-e-r that's a type of an image the orthodox church we don't typically image god the father we think that as jesus says in the book of john to the pharisees no one has seen the father at any time
And he's quizzing the Pharisees there because he's saying, so who do you think Moses was interacting with on Mount Sinai if no one saw the Father?
Because it says Moses saw God face to face.
Jesus is basically saying, I was talking to Moses.
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