Jay Dyer
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 13 Jul
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So, you know, Calvinism is not just predestination and the sort of strict soteriology or salvation doctrines.
It's also iconoclasm, which ends up, I think, affecting one's view of art and aesthetics.
Correct.
And I was a very avid sort of iconoclastic Calvinist when I was young.
It's also very rigid in terms of its view of
social structure church and state uh i the more i read the church fathers the more i got into that kind of a theology i realized that like calvinistic sort of republicanism doesn't really match up with byzantine imperialism or monarchy you know the traditional views of the churches
take on governance the byzantine empire is a theocracy yeah well yeah pretty much what's interesting is that there are spheres right so you have basically if you think about the byzantine double-headed eagle that symbol is one body of the people but church and state as two separate heads so there's spheres of authority but one body that they share which is the people so uh and then the west to a degree had this until the middle ages when you get sort of a rise of um
the 11th century papacy, which becomes also the state.
So you get a papal states and a sort of, under Pope, Dictatus Papi is the famous document that says the church is also a state now.
But until that time, the norm was church and state sort of working in unison.
Symphonia is what it's called in the Greek.
So that's what I had to grapple with.
But Calvinism really doesn't see it that way.
It's more like a...
It favors republicanism.
There were famous battles between, in England, for example, the Presbyterians and the monarchists.
So they actually had a huge fight within the history of the English Reformation as to whether they would be Anglican monarchists or whether they would be Presbyterian republican Calvinists.
So that was a famous Reformation battle.
But long story short, again, Calvinism, I think, is just...
it's antithetical to the first thousand years of christianity not so much because of those aesthetic or cultural issues it's also christologically errant in that the whole idea of what salvation is is ultimately one's legal standing in terms of what's called justification by faith alone or penal substitutionary atonement this idea that you're justified by god
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