Jeff Hiller

And on one of them, I did have a Vitamix.

And the writers didn't know that.

I had a Vitamix on my vision board, and my mom got me one for my birthday.

And so it just feels very...

I'm very like Joel in that sense.

And I think I'm also someone who is warm and likes to laugh and is joyful.

And as you said in the intro, I've normally played sort of rude customer service representatives.

And so it felt like such a joy to play Joel because he did feel a lot more like me rather than putting on a scowl and acting.

It felt very...

like something I really knew how to do because he was so similar to me.

But I'm not so similar that I can look at you and say, if you sing at my party, everything will be better in your life.

That I don't know how to do, which I feel guilty about because I think sometimes people approach me on the street wanting that.

Exactly.

We'll see at the end of this interview.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah.

And most of his arc in season three is about realizing that his life is good and he's happy with his life, but he has to mourn the things that he really wanted and didn't get.

And that was a really, you know, powerful teacher for me, too.

Because I did... It's funny, I was never one of those people that was like...

carrying around a baby doll being like, I can't wait to be a parent.