Jeffrey Goldberg

I listen to all our podcasts, Atlantic staff.

Sometimes they stack up.

But I'm not asking you whether you think it's going to happen.

Okay, thanks.

My guest has been Tim Miller.

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Have I been monitoring them?

I've been trying to influence them.

Brainwaves.

Just pure, like, psych waves.

No, I'm not saying no.

He's a civilian, so he's not going to be court-martialed.

I'm saying, all I'm arguing, which I think has the benefit of logic, all I'm arguing is that if anyone else, it'll be three million or so people who report to Pete Hegseth, uniformed and civilian, had done what he did, they would have had to...

Pay a price for it.

You get punished for doing that.

You get punished in the military for almost anything.

You misplace your rifle, you can get court-martialed.

You know it's illegal.

To text a family member if you're in the armed services, it's it's it's against regs to to say, oh, my unit is moving on Tuesday from Fort Polk to Fort Bliss.