Jeffrey Ladish

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · Reward Hacking by Reasoning Models & Loss of Control Scenarios w/ Jeffrey Ladish of Palisade Research, from FLI Podcast · 2 Apr 2025 podcast

And I think this is where it gets into a tricky dynamic where

You know, defenders don't just have to find all the vulnerabilities, they also have to patch them.

And that's where there's currently human bottlenecks.

So I think even if defenders can find more vulnerabilities than attackers can, you know, given that the you know, there might be eventually come a time where we've like actually had our AI systems find all the vulnerabilities and like, you know,

sort of write really secure code and we've sort of like revamped our whole architecture.

So in in the in the longer term, defenders might do better.

But I think in the short term, it's going to take a while for all of those things to go through.

And in the short term, that's where I expect attackers to have the advantage.

The thing I want to emphasize is that like, you know, often we talk about sort of well what's going to happen in the short term, what's going to happen in the medium term.

But I'm like, well the way this ultimately plays out is that you have

have you know millions or hundreds of millions of superhuman hacking agents.

And

when they get to the point where they're very strategic, I'm like, they have all the advantages.

So like, you know, there's a time when, you know, humans control a lot of these a lot of these agents and there's a question of sort of which humans are sort of most most good at securing the infrastructure as well as sort of attacking the other people's infrastructure.

But there comes a point after that, and maybe pretty quickly after that, where I'm like, Well, did you guys notice that the AIs have all the advantages?

You're sort of like you forgot like, isn't there someone you forgot to think about?

Like it's not like I think that this is where people are sort of are really stuck in the AIs as tools paradigm where they're imagining that these AIs will keep wanting to do things that we want.

But I'm like the biggest threat from hacking AI system you know, from AI systems I can hack ultimately will come, I think, from the systems themselves.

And so, you know, there's like the the the short term one year, you know, or whatever, where I think offense will dominate.

There's the like the two to three years where, you know, maybe

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