Jeffrey Ladish
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first heard Apr 2025
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it starts to kind of be balanced, though I think offenders probably still dominate.
And then there's the like, you know, three plus years where I think the AI systems might start to dominate.
And that's where I think we gotta rethink how we're, you know, thinking about security to be like, well, how do we defend against AI systems themselves?
And the the short answer is like, well, we really shouldn't build systems that are way better at hacking than us, you know, especially if they, you know, if they if they're very if they're
very sort of narrowly constrained at just hacking tasks and they're not actually good at sort of like longer term strategy, that might be okay.
Like we might be able to use superhuman hackers that are sort of not able to reason about longer term stuff.
But I think I think that that's actually pretty close.
You have to be pretty careful about that because that's pretty close to the point where sort of the same things that make them superhuman at hacking probably also can be used to make them good at sort of long-term strategy.
So there is a RAND report that sort of breaks down sort of defensive capabilities into different categories.
So you can think of these in terms of security levels, where security level like
One and two are like, can you defend against sort of really opportunistic actors?
Security level three is can you defend against you know well-resourced non-state actors, sort of like really professional like criminal groups.
Security level four is can you defend against most state actor groups that have pretty advanced hacking capabilities, but maybe like not the top ones, or at least the top ones aren't prioritizing you.
level five is you can you can defend even against the top state actors who are prioritizing you.
And I think
No one has security level five.
And by no one I mean maybe a few parts of government that are extremely locked down, parts of the military, but basically no one else.
And even mate most parts of the military and most parts of government aren't at security level five.
I think most AI companies are sort somewhere between security level two and security level three.
Maybe some have achieved security level three, but it's not obvious to me.
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