Jennifer Bray

It's a lot, yeah.

Sorry, no.

um so we had to kind of condense and then also at one stage the timeline ran in the opposite direction right so you went kind of how did you even keep that straight in your brain when you were writing it I like didn't yeah a lot of note post-it notes a lot of nightmares um so we had to then reverse the order of it so basically what I'm saying is like so much work has gone into it um and I'm I am proud of it I am you should be so I'm like you know what

yeah, I'm opening up parts of myself, but that's okay.

Yeah.

That's okay.

You know, and if there's something true in the novel, I think that's also a good thing.

Well, I think, um, truthfully it had like, what happened has had such a huge impact on me.

Um, I mean, how could it not?

It like took my confidence and I'm still working on rebuilding that.

Like I'm not there yet.

I'm just not, but I'm, I'm working on it and I am seeing like little changes, like

who I am doing this interview with you now is even so different to who I am doing my first interview two or three weeks ago and I know it's only two or three weeks but like I find myself kind of going I can do this interview and instead of sitting out in the car outside your house like ah I was like okay this is gonna be fun you know this is gonna be nice like I'm really looking forward to it like

If you told me that three weeks ago, I wouldn't believe you.

So actually it's giving me something back too.

And also when I listen to kind of your podcast and other people's podcasts and I hear people's real life stories, it really reminds you like, everyone, we've all got our stuff, you know?

100%.

And the world we live in on social media would almost trick you into believing that other people live more perfect lives than you.

We are all going through it.

So I love to hear other people's stories.