Jessica Baum

So we connected her with Jessica Baum.

I'm a psychotherapist, a licensed mental health counselor.

I'm an author of two books, Anxiously Attached and Safe.

I studied interpersonal neurobiology, and that is a study of how we form as infants and young beings in relationship with others.

It's how we form our attachment patterns.

And I work a lot with my clients on getting into their body and starting to be with their nervous system and starting to connect all those dots.

Following our reporting trip, Jess and Saskia started meeting weekly.

And I'm going to continue working with her to the other side of this.

Whenever she gets to the other side,

And we have to get in touch with all the pain to do that.

Yeah.

That's probably what makes me feel like I want to run.

A hundred percent.

I think that being vulnerable like this and feeling it, part of you wants to do the work and the part of you is so uncomfortable with showing up for it.

And I think that's actually a very normal part of this experience or the re-experiencing of it all.

Yep.

That's what I'm finding.

And you know, Saskia, some people don't have the capacity.

It takes a lot to slow down and feel.

I don't know how many clients I have that are like 40 or 50 or 55 who say the same thing, like, I wish I could have done this sooner.