Jessie Stephens

And then boom, you put the drama in and suddenly she's possessed by the devil and you're way more invested.

But how many times do we all sit down now and go, I'm going to give this five minutes and if I'm not in, then I'm going to go and watch something else on my list.

And interestingly, when they say second screen –

The second screen isn't your phone.

Your phone is the first screen.

So your phone is the first screen that you're looking at, that you're scrolling, that you're apparently 60% to 90% of viewers they know are doing it, in which case that Netflix show that maybe wants to be prestige or wants to present some compelling nuanced ideas, that needs to accept its position as a second screen or not.

Does that make us lazier though?

Although I must say when I was watching Severance, I definitely had phone down.

I really try not to and I need to have my phone in another room.

Like I can't have it in.

I don't know.

I think the show can be so brilliant but if we have access to a phone, if we can touch it, whether it's notification, whatever, we also don't have any tolerance for not understanding something.

So if it's a reference to or we go, where's that actor from?

And then someone goes, looks it up or whatever, then you're lost.

Yeah, I think the dynamics are different, not that that's not problematic or not that power doesn't exist in queer love stories because it does.

Yes, 100%.

But the traditional gender dynamics that we project don't exist so much.

And whether it's movies or television or books, yeah,

When there's a heterosexual, a man and a woman who are having sex, there's generally speaking a subject and an object and the woman is nearly always the object.

Even the way that she's filmed, there is this.